1 00:00:01,238 --> 00:00:11,244 This series presents information based in part on theory and conjecture. 2 00:00:11,244 --> 00:00:21,249 The producer's purpose is to suggest some possible explanations, but not necessarily the only ones to the mysteries we will examine. 3 00:00:22,250 --> 00:00:32,255 South America, 1909. According to this famous film, a gun battle claims the life of Butch Cassidy. 4 00:00:32,255 --> 00:00:42,261 If the film version is right, who was the mysterious stranger who appeared on a Wyoming road 15 years later? 5 00:00:42,261 --> 00:00:48,264 A mysterious stranger who bore a strong resemblance to Butch Cassidy. 6 00:00:52,266 --> 00:01:02,272 The vast panorama of the American West has always bred large legends. 7 00:01:02,272 --> 00:01:08,275 Tall tales abound of outlaws and lawmen who rode into history across the open landscape. 8 00:01:08,275 --> 00:01:18,281 Among them, Billy the Kid, Pat Garrett, Cherokee Bill, John Wesley Hardin, Wyatt Earp, and Blackjack Ketchum. 9 00:01:18,281 --> 00:01:23,283 Time and distance have clouded the truth, but one thing is certain. 10 00:01:23,283 --> 00:01:30,287 Few on either side of the law would venture here unless they knew the country well or had good reason to hide. 11 00:01:30,287 --> 00:01:37,291 It is August 13th, 1897. Bank robbery is not an unusual occurrence here. 12 00:01:37,291 --> 00:01:44,295 But these are no ordinary bank robbers. Known for their speed and daring, they're called the Wild Bunch. 13 00:01:48,297 --> 00:01:54,301 Butch Cassidy, the Bunch. 14 00:01:57,302 --> 00:02:03,306 Leading them is Butch Cassidy. He has herded cattle here and knows every canyon in Mesa. 15 00:02:03,306 --> 00:02:09,309 For Butch, it was a short step from rounding up strays to rustling, and then to robbing. 16 00:02:09,309 --> 00:02:14,312 A stretch in jail for a minor offense has settled the direction his life will take. 17 00:02:14,312 --> 00:02:19,314 A life he will one day admit was wasted and hurtful to those he loved the most. 18 00:02:23,317 --> 00:02:29,320 Butch becomes master of the fast getaway. Relays of horses have been staked out before the job. 19 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:33,322 On fresh mounts, the Wild Bunch can out-distance any posse. 20 00:02:33,322 --> 00:02:38,325 In this way, they have robbed bank after bank over a wide area of the West. 21 00:02:39,326 --> 00:02:45,329 Montpelier, Idaho. Winamaka, Nevada. Telleride in Denver, Colorado. 22 00:02:48,330 --> 00:02:54,334 16,000. 17,000. 21,000. 30,000 dollars. 23 00:02:54,334 --> 00:02:59,337 The separate halls added up to more than 200,000 dollars. 24 00:03:02,338 --> 00:03:06,340 By morning, the outlaws have left their pursuers miles behind. 25 00:03:09,342 --> 00:03:13,344 The Wild Bunch is a small town in the West. 26 00:03:18,347 --> 00:03:22,349 Expert horsemen, they climb the ridges into one of their several hideouts. 27 00:03:22,349 --> 00:03:27,352 The notorious hole in the wall, or the rugged area known as Robbers Roost. 28 00:03:29,353 --> 00:03:33,355 Here, safe from pursuit, a few men could hold off an army. 29 00:03:33,355 --> 00:03:38,358 They will rest up for the next job, confident that no law man will follow them here. 30 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:46,363 These rugged areas of Wyoming and Utah became fortress sanctuaries. 31 00:03:46,363 --> 00:03:51,365 Not only did bandits join Cassidy's gang, they were men who turned to rustling 32 00:03:51,365 --> 00:03:55,368 because they felt their independence was threatened by big cattle outfits 33 00:03:55,368 --> 00:03:57,369 crowding them off the public range. 34 00:03:57,369 --> 00:04:03,372 Into hidden canyons went stolen cattle, security against the excesses of the big ranchers. 35 00:04:04,373 --> 00:04:08,375 Which Cassidy became a legend not only because of the mystery surrounding his death, 36 00:04:08,375 --> 00:04:13,378 but because his special character inspired a comparison to Robin Hood. 37 00:04:13,378 --> 00:04:18,380 During his career as an outlaw, a fortune in gold passed through his hands, 38 00:04:18,380 --> 00:04:21,382 but he seldom held onto much of it for very long. 39 00:04:21,382 --> 00:04:25,384 He seemed to delight in the chase more than the rewards. 40 00:04:25,384 --> 00:04:29,386 He gave money to ranchers and townspeople who were in need, 41 00:04:29,386 --> 00:04:33,389 and they in turn helped him with their silence. 42 00:04:35,390 --> 00:04:39,392 Today, ranchers in the area feel that Butch was one of them. 43 00:04:39,392 --> 00:04:45,395 An expert cowhand between robberies, he was respected for his hard work and skill. 44 00:04:46,396 --> 00:04:53,400 They don't condone what Butch did, but with their own independence threatened today 45 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:57,402 by big mining interests, they understand some of the forces that drove him. 46 00:04:57,402 --> 00:05:00,404 And I found out later that it was Butch. 47 00:05:00,404 --> 00:05:06,407 I worked for his brother right here, his brother Joe, him and I, here it is cattle together. 48 00:05:06,407 --> 00:05:10,409 They wasn't killed in South America, I know that. 49 00:05:11,410 --> 00:05:17,413 Our search for where and when Butch did die took us to the remote Wyoming town of Bags. 50 00:05:19,414 --> 00:05:24,417 Galloping down Main Street, guns blazing, they headed for the Bulldog Saloon 51 00:05:24,417 --> 00:05:29,420 where they would cut the road dust out of their dry throats with strong whiskey. 52 00:05:30,420 --> 00:05:35,423 Restored, they would roust out Tom Vernon who played fiddle and owned the local hotel. 53 00:05:35,423 --> 00:05:40,426 Then, rounding up the available ladies, they would dance all night. 54 00:05:40,426 --> 00:05:46,429 Sheriff Ross Moore, today's successor to Frontier Lawman, sums up his town's attitude. 55 00:05:46,429 --> 00:05:49,431 People around here thought Old Butch was alright. 56 00:05:49,431 --> 00:05:53,433 He was a real nice fella, as far as I was concerned. 57 00:05:53,433 --> 00:05:57,435 He never done anything to anybody and he always treated him right and never cheated him. 58 00:05:57,435 --> 00:05:59,436 He didn't know there were outlaws. 59 00:05:59,436 --> 00:06:02,438 These people were not just the people who were outlawed, 60 00:06:02,438 --> 00:06:04,439 he didn't know there were outlaws. 61 00:06:04,439 --> 00:06:08,441 These people on the snake river would do about anything for him. 62 00:06:08,441 --> 00:06:14,445 They'd stop at your place if you had a saddle horse and their horse was tired. 63 00:06:14,445 --> 00:06:19,447 They'd take your horse and leave their tired horse and go on, but they'd always come back. 64 00:06:21,448 --> 00:06:27,452 And they never did anything wrong because they knew that if they rode in to this country 65 00:06:27,452 --> 00:06:31,454 they could get to places to stay all night or fresh horse. 66 00:06:32,455 --> 00:06:36,457 He was a good hearted old fella, he wouldn't kill you, he'd just steal your money. 67 00:06:36,457 --> 00:06:41,460 They were good to these people on the snake river, but money in here, you know. 68 00:06:41,460 --> 00:06:43,461 Damn it, they were all good guys. 69 00:06:45,462 --> 00:06:49,464 For the most part, outlawing was hard and dangerous work. 70 00:06:49,464 --> 00:06:53,466 As an outlaw's reputation grew, so did the odds of getting caught. 71 00:06:53,466 --> 00:07:00,470 Alan Pinkerton's powerful detective agency assigned famed manhunter Charlie Seringo to take on the wild bunch. 72 00:07:00,470 --> 00:07:05,473 Though only five feet tall, Seringo could rope, tie and ride with the best of them. 73 00:07:05,473 --> 00:07:10,476 Having spent a lifetime on the western range, he was well equipped to track his quarry. 74 00:07:10,476 --> 00:07:15,478 The wild bunch reacted to this pressure by moving into another lucrative field. 75 00:07:15,478 --> 00:07:17,479 Train robbing. 76 00:07:17,479 --> 00:07:20,481 With Butch's master minding, they continued to prosper. 77 00:07:20,481 --> 00:07:24,483 The Denver and Rio Grande Railway, $8,000. 78 00:07:24,483 --> 00:07:28,486 The Colorado and Southern, $45,000. 79 00:07:28,486 --> 00:07:31,487 The Union Pacific, $55,000. 80 00:07:34,489 --> 00:07:38,491 The Union Pacific responded by forming a special train-born posse, 81 00:07:38,491 --> 00:07:41,493 transporting horses in a baggage car. 82 00:07:41,493 --> 00:07:48,497 About this time, Butch started working more closely with Harvey Longabao, known as the Sundance Kid. 83 00:07:48,497 --> 00:07:51,498 They shared a rye sense of humor. 84 00:07:51,498 --> 00:07:58,502 One day after a particularly good haul, Butch and Sundance posed for a family portrait with the rest of the gang. 85 00:07:58,502 --> 00:08:02,504 It was a joke that would backfire and force them to flee the country. 86 00:08:02,504 --> 00:08:05,506 Sporting store-bought clothes and new dirt, 87 00:08:05,506 --> 00:08:07,507 were cool killer Harvey Logan, 88 00:08:07,507 --> 00:08:10,509 Polecat Bill Carver, 89 00:08:10,509 --> 00:08:13,510 and Butch's pal Sundance. 90 00:08:13,510 --> 00:08:18,513 Butch could barely suppress a grin at what he thought was a private joke. 91 00:08:18,513 --> 00:08:22,515 However, the proud photographer displayed the picture in his window, 92 00:08:22,515 --> 00:08:26,518 where it was spotted the next day by an amazed but delighted Pinkerton detective, 93 00:08:26,518 --> 00:08:28,519 who spread the alarm. 94 00:08:28,519 --> 00:08:33,522 The police were also looking for the man who was the victim of the police. 95 00:08:33,522 --> 00:08:35,523 The alarm. 96 00:08:37,524 --> 00:08:40,525 Hearing this and sensing their luck had run out, 97 00:08:40,525 --> 00:08:44,528 the bandits bought tickets on the very trains they once robbed. 98 00:08:47,529 --> 00:08:53,533 An elegantly attired trio, Butch, Sundance, and his girls a beautiful, eddor place, 99 00:08:53,533 --> 00:08:56,534 headed for South America, by way of New York. 100 00:08:57,535 --> 00:09:02,538 The big city in 1902 must have been a dazzling sight to these now rich, 101 00:09:02,538 --> 00:09:05,539 but still country-fied westerners. 102 00:09:15,545 --> 00:09:17,546 They mingled with the elite on Fifth Avenue, 103 00:09:17,546 --> 00:09:21,548 and Sundance and Edda had their portraits taken at a fashionable salon. 104 00:09:21,548 --> 00:09:26,551 With Queen Lee Grace, Edda proudly displayed a new and expensive gold watch. 105 00:09:29,553 --> 00:09:33,555 A few weeks later, the trio sailed for South America. 106 00:09:35,556 --> 00:09:38,558 In Argentina, they worked as cattlemen, 107 00:09:38,558 --> 00:09:41,559 until they were tracked down by a Pinkerton detective. 108 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:45,561 Once more on the run, they returned to a life of crime throughout Chile, 109 00:09:45,561 --> 00:09:47,563 Bolivia, and Uruguay. 110 00:09:48,563 --> 00:09:52,565 In 1909, the story got out that Butch and Sundance were dead, 111 00:09:52,565 --> 00:09:55,567 killed in a gunfight in Mercedes Uruguay. 112 00:09:56,568 --> 00:10:02,571 The Pinkerton agency eagerly accepted the story and closed the files on an old and frustrating case. 113 00:10:03,571 --> 00:10:09,575 But our research in Mercedes revealed no evidence that such a gunfight ever took place. 114 00:10:10,575 --> 00:10:16,579 Butch and Sundance's death, a hoax, perhaps steal another way to outdistance the city. 115 00:10:18,580 --> 00:10:23,582 One day in 1924, 15 years after the alleged gunfight, 116 00:10:23,582 --> 00:10:27,585 a lone figure was seen driving up a Wyoming road. 117 00:10:27,585 --> 00:10:30,586 As he came closer, he seemed somehow familiar, 118 00:10:30,586 --> 00:10:36,590 could it have been Butch Cassidy returning home after all those years? 119 00:10:38,591 --> 00:10:45,595 Many believed Butch Cassidy returned long after he was supposed to have died in a South American gunfight. 120 00:10:45,595 --> 00:10:49,597 Butch wasn't killed in South America. He came back here in 24, 121 00:10:49,597 --> 00:10:52,599 and my grandmother seen him and talked to him. 122 00:10:52,599 --> 00:10:54,600 So I know he was here. 123 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,602 He stayed a day and a half and then left, but he was here and talked to everybody. 124 00:10:58,602 --> 00:11:03,605 He came back from there and went down in the Utah. He stopped the bags one night. 125 00:11:03,605 --> 00:11:07,607 He went up to some of these old places and visited before he left. 126 00:11:07,607 --> 00:11:10,609 So I know he's here 24. 127 00:11:15,611 --> 00:11:21,615 One can only imagine what might have gone through his mind if he had revisited the places of his raucous youth. 128 00:11:34,622 --> 00:11:36,623 Most of his companions were gone. 129 00:11:36,623 --> 00:11:40,625 Harvey Logan, dead in a gunfight with a posse. 130 00:11:40,625 --> 00:11:44,627 Ben Kilpatrick, killed attempting to rob a train. 131 00:11:44,627 --> 00:11:48,630 Bill Carver, outdrawn by a sheriff in Texas. 132 00:11:48,630 --> 00:11:52,632 And the ladies who danced had vanished or settled down. 133 00:11:52,632 --> 00:11:54,633 Only memories remained. 134 00:12:00,636 --> 00:12:02,637 The memories live on in bags, 135 00:12:02,637 --> 00:12:07,640 recollections of those still alive who remember Butch's nostalgic homecoming. 136 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:12,643 In an old house on the outskirts of town lives a man who was a contemporary of Butch Cassidy's. 137 00:12:12,643 --> 00:12:17,646 Now, Alfred Brazel is surrounded by his animals and his memories. 138 00:12:21,648 --> 00:12:24,650 The dates he gives might be questioned, 139 00:12:24,650 --> 00:12:27,651 but he is positive about the past. 140 00:12:27,651 --> 00:12:30,653 He's been a good friend of his. 141 00:12:30,653 --> 00:12:32,654 He's been a good friend of his. 142 00:12:33,654 --> 00:12:35,656 The dates he gives might be questioned, 143 00:12:35,656 --> 00:12:38,657 but he is positive about what he saw. 144 00:12:38,657 --> 00:12:43,660 He was not killed because in 1916, 145 00:12:43,660 --> 00:12:46,662 as sure as I ever stand right here, 146 00:12:46,662 --> 00:12:50,664 that I seen him right here in this store. 147 00:12:50,664 --> 00:12:53,666 I seen him with my own eyes, 148 00:12:53,666 --> 00:12:58,668 and Butch had three pack horses and one saddle horse. 149 00:12:58,668 --> 00:13:02,671 They were tied right out to the side of the store. 150 00:13:02,671 --> 00:13:06,673 And he said, Ed, 151 00:13:06,673 --> 00:13:12,676 I want you to go and get me four quarts of whiskey. 152 00:13:12,676 --> 00:13:15,678 He says, why don't you do it? 153 00:13:15,678 --> 00:13:17,679 No, he said, I want you to go get it. 154 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:21,681 And Ed only had to just step out of the door 155 00:13:21,681 --> 00:13:26,684 and go about 50 feet to the saloon. 156 00:13:26,684 --> 00:13:28,685 I'd seen him before. 157 00:13:28,685 --> 00:13:31,687 It wasn't the first time I'd seen Butch. 158 00:13:31,687 --> 00:13:35,689 Author, historian John Rolf Burroughs 159 00:13:35,689 --> 00:13:38,690 has interviewed others who were even closer to Butch. 160 00:13:38,690 --> 00:13:41,692 I came through here in 1959 161 00:13:41,692 --> 00:13:43,693 researching a story on the wild bunch. 162 00:13:43,693 --> 00:13:46,695 Among other people I talked to was Tom Vernon. 163 00:13:46,695 --> 00:13:48,696 Tom at that time was 80 years of age, 164 00:13:48,696 --> 00:13:50,697 but his mind was just as clear as a bell. 165 00:13:50,697 --> 00:13:52,698 And among other comments, 166 00:13:52,698 --> 00:13:55,700 I happen to make at that time was that I had read an article 167 00:13:55,700 --> 00:13:57,701 by Arthur Chapman to the effect 168 00:13:57,701 --> 00:14:02,704 that Butch Cassidy had been killed in Bolivia in South America. 169 00:14:02,704 --> 00:14:05,705 Tom looked me in the eye and he said, killed in Bolivia? 170 00:14:05,705 --> 00:14:09,708 He said, Butch came through here in the early 20s 171 00:14:09,708 --> 00:14:12,709 and stayed with me two days and talked over in old times, 172 00:14:12,709 --> 00:14:16,712 said there's no mistake, I knew every one of the wild bunch well. 173 00:14:16,712 --> 00:14:20,714 Now an expert historian has found evidence placing Butch Cassidy 174 00:14:20,714 --> 00:14:23,715 in this building in the early 1920s. 175 00:14:25,717 --> 00:14:29,719 John Burroughs has still more support for his conclusion. 176 00:14:29,719 --> 00:14:32,720 I met a man in Rock Springs with the name of John Taylor 177 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,722 who had known Butch Cassidy when Butch Cassidy 178 00:14:35,722 --> 00:14:37,723 worked in the butcher shop in Rock Springs 179 00:14:37,723 --> 00:14:40,725 and that's where Butch incidentally got his nickname. 180 00:14:40,725 --> 00:14:44,727 Mr. Taylor owned the Ford agency in Rock Springs 181 00:14:44,727 --> 00:14:46,728 and he said one day he was out in the shop 182 00:14:46,728 --> 00:14:50,730 and here came a model T and it was Butch Cassidy. 183 00:14:50,730 --> 00:14:52,731 This was in the early 1920s. 184 00:14:55,733 --> 00:14:58,735 Butch Cassidy was a very good man. 185 00:14:58,735 --> 00:15:03,738 He said Butch didn't recognize him and didn't say anything 186 00:15:03,738 --> 00:15:08,740 but he said there was no mistake that he knew him well. 187 00:15:08,740 --> 00:15:13,743 Another person who saw Butch after he turned from Bolivia 188 00:15:13,743 --> 00:15:17,745 who knew him very well was Josephine Bassett Morris. 189 00:15:17,745 --> 00:15:19,746 She was his girlfriend. 190 00:15:19,746 --> 00:15:21,748 In an old man's house, 191 00:15:21,748 --> 00:15:25,750 Josephine Bassett talked with Burroughs in 1965. 192 00:15:25,750 --> 00:15:29,752 Still showing signs of the beautiful girl she had been, 193 00:15:29,752 --> 00:15:32,754 Josephine told him that one night in the early 1920s 194 00:15:32,754 --> 00:15:34,755 in Rock Springs, Wyoming, 195 00:15:34,755 --> 00:15:38,757 Butch and his old friend, Elsa Lay, knocked on her door. 196 00:15:39,758 --> 00:15:43,760 And Josephine told me that they were both a little out of condition 197 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:45,761 but we sat around and had a few drinks 198 00:15:45,761 --> 00:15:48,762 and reminisced about the old time. 199 00:15:48,762 --> 00:15:51,764 We had a little chat about the old time, 200 00:15:51,764 --> 00:15:53,765 and we knew each other. 201 00:15:53,765 --> 00:15:55,766 And then we had a few drinks 202 00:15:55,766 --> 00:15:56,767 and we said, 203 00:15:56,767 --> 00:15:58,768 do you want a cup of beer? 204 00:15:58,768 --> 00:15:59,769 No. 205 00:15:59,769 --> 00:16:01,770 We had a cup of beer and a cup of coffee. 206 00:16:01,770 --> 00:16:03,771 And we ended up having a little chat 207 00:16:03,771 --> 00:16:05,772 and we decided we'd have a little chat 208 00:16:05,772 --> 00:16:09,854 a few drinks and reminisced about the old times. 209 00:16:09,854 --> 00:16:13,296 Josephine said that was the last time she saw Butch alive. 210 00:16:18,299 --> 00:16:22,861 We had one more important stop to make, 300 miles away. 211 00:16:22,861 --> 00:16:25,983 In southwest Utah is the wild and beautiful country 212 00:16:25,983 --> 00:16:29,545 where Butch spent his childhood, where he learned to ride, 213 00:16:29,545 --> 00:16:31,146 where he roamed free. 214 00:16:31,146 --> 00:16:34,108 When his name was still Robert Leroy Parker, 215 00:16:34,108 --> 00:16:37,590 and he lived on the ranch his father homesteaded near Circleville. 216 00:16:41,592 --> 00:16:47,515 Lula Parker Bettenson, which his 93-year-old sister remembers. 217 00:16:47,515 --> 00:16:51,597 When Butch came home, he went straight to the ranch 218 00:16:51,597 --> 00:16:54,719 out of the Parker ranch because he thought we lived there. 219 00:17:00,122 --> 00:17:02,603 And how he wandered around, he loved the place. 220 00:17:02,603 --> 00:17:06,846 He had grown up there, and he was half there. 221 00:17:22,214 --> 00:17:25,376 Disappointed to find no one there. 222 00:17:25,376 --> 00:17:26,377 He came to town. 223 00:17:33,220 --> 00:17:37,263 Hoping to see his aging father once more, 224 00:17:37,263 --> 00:17:42,065 Butch picked up his brother Mark and drove to the Parker house in town. 225 00:17:42,065 --> 00:17:45,387 His father and Lula came to the door. 226 00:17:47,388 --> 00:17:52,831 When Butch drove into the yard, he and Mark got out of the car 227 00:17:52,831 --> 00:17:55,633 and walked over to the house. 228 00:17:55,633 --> 00:17:58,915 First, of course, it was a stranger. 229 00:17:58,915 --> 00:18:01,916 He just thought somebody come home with the boys. 230 00:18:01,916 --> 00:18:06,919 But as they looked at each other and got closer, they knew each other. 231 00:18:06,919 --> 00:18:10,921 And for the greeting it was to have him home again. 232 00:18:14,923 --> 00:18:18,926 When I first saw Butch, I looked at him and I thought, 233 00:18:18,926 --> 00:18:20,927 oh, he belongs here. 234 00:18:20,927 --> 00:18:23,928 He's ours, he must be, you know. 235 00:18:23,928 --> 00:18:25,929 And yet I didn't know. 236 00:18:25,929 --> 00:18:29,932 And my father said to me, he said, 237 00:18:29,932 --> 00:18:32,933 I'll bet you don't know who this is. 238 00:18:32,933 --> 00:18:35,935 He said, this is your brother Robert Leroy. 239 00:18:35,935 --> 00:18:38,937 And of course, then it was just really, 240 00:18:38,937 --> 00:18:42,939 but I felt like my feet, I couldn't stand. 241 00:18:42,939 --> 00:18:45,941 I was shocked, you know, in a way. 242 00:18:45,941 --> 00:18:51,944 So I didn't have it very long because he's so warm and so wonderful. 243 00:18:51,944 --> 00:18:55,946 And it was so tickled to see me that all turned out just right. 244 00:18:55,946 --> 00:18:59,948 When he came home, he could talk with nothing but mother. 245 00:18:59,948 --> 00:19:04,951 No matter what we would be talking about, he would go back to her. 246 00:19:04,951 --> 00:19:08,953 He felt so terrible because he felt that he'd hurt her so badly. 247 00:19:08,953 --> 00:19:10,954 And he really did. 248 00:19:10,954 --> 00:19:12,956 And he felt it. 249 00:19:12,956 --> 00:19:14,957 He couldn't live it down. 250 00:19:14,957 --> 00:19:16,958 He said it was his heartache. 251 00:19:16,958 --> 00:19:18,959 And my father said to him, he said, 252 00:19:18,959 --> 00:19:22,961 you know, my boy, he said, you could have been most anything. 253 00:19:22,961 --> 00:19:24,962 He said, I know. 254 00:19:24,962 --> 00:19:26,963 And all I'd done is make a break in my life. 255 00:19:26,963 --> 00:19:28,964 He wasn't a bit happy. 256 00:19:28,964 --> 00:19:33,967 I think he paid the debt over and over for what he'd done. 257 00:19:33,967 --> 00:19:38,970 Butch died in 1937 in the Northwest. 258 00:19:38,970 --> 00:19:41,972 And where he is buried, that is our secret. 259 00:19:41,972 --> 00:19:43,973 We do not tell it. 260 00:19:43,973 --> 00:19:47,975 My father gave us to understand when he was alive. 261 00:19:47,975 --> 00:19:54,979 We understand when the word came of his death that there would be never be told. 262 00:19:54,979 --> 00:19:56,980 Because they had chased him. 263 00:19:56,980 --> 00:19:59,982 He said they had chased him all his life. 264 00:19:59,982 --> 00:20:02,983 And now he's going to rest in peace. 265 00:20:02,983 --> 00:20:06,985 No matter what, I would never tell it. 266 00:20:11,988 --> 00:20:14,990 There are many theories about Butch's later years. 267 00:20:14,990 --> 00:20:18,992 In Billings, Montana, author Larry Pointer, after years of study, 268 00:20:18,992 --> 00:20:20,993 believes that this man, William T. Phillips, 269 00:20:20,993 --> 00:20:25,996 who moved to Spokane, Washington a year after Butch's supposed death, 270 00:20:25,996 --> 00:20:27,997 is Butch Cassidy. 271 00:20:27,997 --> 00:20:29,998 And the resemblance is remarkable. 272 00:20:29,998 --> 00:20:33,000 Phillips died in the Northwest in 1937, 273 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,001 and his ashes were scattered over the Spokane River. 274 00:20:36,001 --> 00:20:38,003 An added irony is that for years, 275 00:20:38,003 --> 00:20:42,005 Phillips tried to sell the Butch Cassidy story to Hollywood. 276 00:20:42,005 --> 00:20:44,006 There were no takers. 277 00:20:44,006 --> 00:20:47,008 And what of Sundance and Edda? 278 00:20:47,008 --> 00:20:50,009 They seemed to have disappeared completely from history. 279 00:20:50,009 --> 00:20:52,010 Only the legend remains. 280 00:20:52,010 --> 00:20:54,011 But legends die hard. 281 00:20:54,011 --> 00:20:57,013 We usually believe what we want to believe. 282 00:20:57,013 --> 00:21:00,015 Somehow we prefer to see Butch young and vigorous, 283 00:21:00,015 --> 00:21:03,016 falling in South America with guns blazing, 284 00:21:03,016 --> 00:21:06,018 rather than living out a mundane life. 285 00:21:06,018 --> 00:21:10,020 But wherever or whenever Robert Leroy Parker died, 286 00:21:10,020 --> 00:21:15,023 in our minds, he lives on as Butch Cassidy.